So, Apple wants us to believe that Samsung threw together, within the period of almost exactly 1 month, an iPhone copy that just happened to be also packed full of superior parts? That is one big complement to Samsung. While it appears that rumors of the Samsung F700 being demonstrated in 2006 are not accurate, LG had launched their Prada phone by then and frankly they all look like each other.
Woo-Young Kwak, who is the head of mobile handset R&D at LG, said that Apple stole the design after the Prada phone won the 2006 iF Design Award. Yes folks, that is true, 2006, LG’s touchscreen won a Design Award and many months later iPhone appears.
There is no doubt that someone “invented” the all touch screen form factor, but the chances of us ever knowing who that was are slim-to-none. What is also highly unlikely is that the LG was inspired by a phone not to appear until the following year. What is almost as unlikely is that Samsung could design and fabricate a superior phone “copycat” of the iPhone in 1 month based entirely on the iPhone’s initial launch. What is most likely is that the charlatan Steve Jobs is again trying to convince the world that he is the innovator and everyone else are imitators.
We look forward to the court ruling on the lawsuit. While the courts are notoriously inept at understanding techno-babble we have seen some semblance of justice come from these cases. We don’t really know what will come of Mark Zuckerberg’s claims, but on this one a picture is worth a 1000 words. LG Prada beat Samsung and Apple, and won an award to boot. Being an admirer of LG products myself, I’d sure like this issue to hit the fan again. You know since Apple went throwing stones and all.
Wow! Another example of the Apple “marketing machine” distorting the truth! Within the halls of technology things are not as black and white as they seem. If this gets out to the mainstream media then it could make for some very interesting times and it pose a challenge to Apple.
Apple did not copy LG. It’s one thing to copy an image of a product (i.e. the shell), it’s another thing to copy the entire product itself. Apple is a software company and it makes both the hardware and software for its products. The earliest reference to an iPhone was iTunes 7.0.1 that was released on 9/27/2006 (source: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/itunes-701-has-buttloads-of-mobile-phone-mentions-203780.php)
The simpliest proof Apple did not copy LG is that LG is unable to write software as well as Apple, respectively. Only Apple could create the iOS and that argument blows away any claim that Apple copied someone else.
Fair enough your opinion, however, the courts have consistently thrown Steve Jobs under the train on copyright rip offs. Just look at the recent HTC litigation. I’m not the only one that believes they are harvesting other people’s ideas. I’m just glad they are finally being held accountable to some degree.
Sorry, but you must have a reading comprehension problems similar to your argument that Apple copied the LG prada. I don’t recall the courts have consistently thrown Steve Jobs under the train on copyright rip offs.”
What the courts have shown is Apple has lost some patent cases and Apple has won some patent case. These are patents, not COPYRIGHTS — please have an editor check your posts prior to them being posted.
Thank you.
The notorious (and familiar to most readers) Apple vs. Microsoft case was a copyright infringement lawsuit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation
The courts threw it out when Apple tried to claim patent on GUI elements. Soon after they bought back Steve, but under his leadership they have continued their bogus intellectual property antics to this day. Claiming to be innovators but buying patents from multiple manufacturers, including the July grab for Nortel’s patent portfolio. That’s sure innovative!
The lawsuits are often referred to as “copyright infringement lawsuit” or “patent infringement” almost interchangeably. They have filed “trademark infringement” as well. However, with your clearly hostile attitude and fanboy ranting I probably shouldn’t bother. You’re apparently just a propagandist perhaps ranting on Apple’s dime? What do they pay nowadays? That would be newsworthy.
However, if by some miracle you are seriously interested in something that resembles reality outside of the distortion field you are welcome to peruse one of the many compilations of Apple lawsuits, for instance this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation, it does a great job of laying out their sue to succeed philosophy and their lack of success in the US.
If you recall, and please note: (a) this whole thread is concerns the Steve Jobs era since it’s about Apple stealing from LG and (b) you stated the courts have thrown “Steve Jobs under the train” yet your example in the previous post is a non-Steve Jobs example. Seriously, who are you trying to fool??
“The lawsuits are often referred to as “copyright infringement lawsuit” or “patent infringement” almost interchangeably.” — No sir, I am a patent holder and I know the difference between a patent versus a copyright versus a trademark or service mark, etc. These are different matters despite the fact these matters all are intellectual property. They are NOT interchangeable because a patent is not some song or a book that is copyrighted. I also have copyrighted works, but that is besides the point.
Now you accuse me of being a fanboy after I pointed errors in your logic and writing. I looked at the wikipedia link that you supplied and the evidence is mixed. All I am doing is challenging and exposing you. I don’t have an agenda until you created it. All I wanted to do was comment how the LG Prada argument was non-sense since Apple has a 26+ year history of producing both the hardware and software together since the introduction of the macintosh in 1984. You were unhappy about my argument and then you decided to make a wild assertion of “the courts have consistently thrown Steve Jobs under the train on copyright rip offs…” — which is NOT supported by established facts. You are entitled to your opinions, but opinions are NOT facts.
Perhaps you are just not used to people pointing out your defects. And if you use the term “consistently” then be prepared to defend yourself.
Since you have spent the effort to respond I’ll give you this. Comments are just comments and every article on the internet is some percentage opinion. While I did author the article you are taking exception to I certainly am not going through an entire approval process in the comments. I can understand your gripe concerning the copyright infringement lawsuit against Microsoft being just before Steve returned. I suppose despite the example I gave you of THE famous “copyright infringement” lawsuit that ended up denying Apple’s claim that they could “patent” GUI elements you have a right to your point regardless of the prime example of copyright and patent being interchanged in the official verbiage. I suppose you are probably not the only person that believes that Apple’s iOS gives them the right to blatantly copy hardware designs and then cry foul at basically everyone else in the business. You can even believe that iOS is actually superior but that is your opinion. The point of the original article was that Apple lives in a glass house and throws stones. In other words they are in the same boat as everyone else. There are patents all over the place and even if they just break even in their litigation their claim that they are victims is moot. The 50/50, hit or miss nature of their litigation attempts attests to the lottery that they play and the fact that for every violation they perceive they also commit one. The whole point that you have failed to grasp because you believe that copying the “outside” is ok so long as they make their own “inside” is that they are living in a glass house.
Finally, in more current news they are losing the reality distortion field now that they have lost Steve. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field) … So their time is quickly becoming history, and when it becomes evident they will be more desperate, and likely only overreach further for a legal edge when their innovative edge is lacking. Steve’s claims that they were being robbed of ideas was just another part of the RDF, nothing more, I stand by the original point.
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Apple fans are the most loyal, like some kind of trance. They will fight over and exaggerate even the smallest thread of evidence to justify their paying too much for too little. My friend bought a Dodge Stealth, and he was constantly justifying it, even though his kids couldn’t fit in it. Fads are like that.
Jim used OSX to demo our initial app design. Ryan loaded it to show off our iPhone app. I know you are not just ranting and you use the tools that do the job. This was a good article and I personally believe that Steve Jobs is a “charlatan.” As many past colleagues of his have attested to. I notice your agitator did not say a peep about Samsung’s seemingly miraculous ability to manufacture and deliver to market a copy 30 days later.
Thanks for getting our apps done and especially getting the iPhone app accepted. That was such a frustrating experience and you were very professional.
Hi Josh, thanks for visiting. Ryan here. We saw that the stats on your app look pretty respectable for only a few months, would link it but since you weren’t specific I won’t be. It’s a good way to get some search engine love if you link here, of course we’d let it be “do follow” (means the search engine will give you credit) … or we can do a portfolio page and link you too. Let us know.
You know Matt wrote this article. He did a lot of the UI on your stuff. I’m sure you made his day with your post.. We do like to joke about Apple around here. Another colleague Kevin sent us this one last week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg (warning, vulgar language at end) and don’t forget this classic: (http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/). I don’t like to recommend something with so much vulgarity but they used the text-to-video site and it’s actually pretty funny how the t2s engine sounds.
We’ll have to do lunch soon.
I had forgotten this thread. Peter stated that he believed Apple makes their own hardware. Not true at all, Foxconn in China makes a lot of it and some are just component items identical to what is found in PCs and other non-Apple devices. Foxconn products are found in lots of products, including PC computers. Ironically, perhaps the shell is the only part that Apple makes and that being said his initial point is moot and the article stands. Hope this helps defer more misinformation. He probably works for them, or at minimum invested too much money in their products and was posting to justify it.
Hi Josh, keep an eye on your junk mail. You should be getting emails when people reply. To keep things fair, and not become another lemming in the “I’m right, and you’re wrong” PC vs. Mac war, the iPhones have unique screen tech. Better in many ways, for instance, it tends to win at brightness, the pixel count resolution is higher than most. The Galaxy S II (2) has a Super AMOLED Plus but from what I’ve seen the pixel count on the iPhone 4s is actually higher. Rumor has it AMOLED is the future of screen tech, and if Apple is really innovative they will continue on their own unique lcd version providing superiority. My bet is they will not do that. They will adopt a version of AMOLED and that probably as soon as the iPhone 5. The contrast ratios for the AMOLED technology is unbeatable without some real practical know-how, which Apple could demonstrate by getting their LCD tech to match. I just doubt it will happen. The only mystery is whether they will try to market it as an “advancement” or just swap it out hoping nobody notices. The area of screen tech is clearly one that Samsung is drawing battle lines over. Hence the “Super AMOLED Plus” … which was preceded by the “Super AMOLED” and before that of course just the “AMOLED”. Nowadays these guys will brand even the most ridiculously insignificant design modification.
Anyway, still must thumbs up the screen tech for their pixel count and brightness. It’s an interesting metric to monitor for actual invention.
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After the billion dollar award, that only really qualifies as phase one of many more to come of litigation, I stumbled on an article from April, quite some time after you made your prediction:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsungs-amoled-gamble-lead-and-your-worst-enemies-will-follow/
“While rumors have recently surfaced that Apple may produce the iPhone 5 using an AMOLED display, the OLED Association is not hopeful. Barry Young, managing director of the OLED Association, and Erich Strasser of OLED-Display, have concluded based on their analysis that Apple’s foray into OLED technology may not come this year due to two inadequacies on Samsung’s behalf.”
So it looks like you were right to suspect it, but it probably won’t happen yet. On the other hand did you know that Samsung made ALL of the screens found on the iPad Retina Display screens? So they’ve been suing and simultaneously patronizing Samsung? Odd indeed. Anyway kudos on the prediction. Impressive insights and almost right on, except you missed the obvious fact that they’d have to license it from Samsung. What did that fanboy guy say about Apple making the software and hardware?
Anyway, thanks again VTek. App is still rockin and rollin. Only 2 updates in almost a year has to be some kind of record.
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